Michael Calore: Of course, Norway is always ahead of us on just about everything. One last question for you. Anybody who has been following EV related news over the last few weeks can’t help but notice that a lot of electric vehicles are catching on fire. And since we’re talking about charging, and since this is in the news, I have to ask, are any of these fires related to anything involving charging?

Aarian Marshall: Not really. I’d say first I’m always a little, not nervous about talking about charging, but feel like sometimes it gets overblown with EVs because gas cars catch fire too, I’m sorry to say. Maybe you’ve been lucky enough to see that on the side of the highway. It does happen. The thing that’s tricky about EVs is that because of battery chemistry and the way electric vehicle batteries work, it takes a lot more effort to put out electric vehicle fires. And I’d say the big thing, of course, that’s related between charging and the fires is that it all comes down to the battery, which is the thing that makes the car go.

But generally, I don’t think they’re related and I don’t think if you’re a person who is thinking seriously about getting EVs, I’d say in general, you don’t really need to worry about fires. I wouldn’t lose sleep at night. Sometimes the federal government will put out recalls and have a park outside warning for a specific car. They also, again, do this for gas powered vehicles as well. You’ll get a park outside warning where they’ll say, “Hey, there’s something wrong with the car that’s making us a little nervous so park it outside until you get it serviced. But generally not a gigantic problem, is the good news.

Michael Calore: All right, well, thank you for that up.

Aarian Marshall: Of course.

Michael Calore: Let’s take another break and we’ll come back with our recommendations.

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Michael Calore: OK, Aarian, you have been on the show a number of times. You know how this works. This is our recommendation segment. We go around the room, in this case it’s just the two of us, and you tell our listeners about something that they might enjoy. It could be a thing, a book, a podcast, a food item, a sport. What’s your recommendation?

Aarian Marshall: My recommendation is very specific. It is a few specific episodes of a podcast. So there’s a podcast called Search Engine with PJ Vote, who I’ve always really admired how PJ talks about the internet. I think he does a really good job of relating his own humanity and the way he uses the internet, which seems like very normy to me. Side note, I think my colleague and friend Lauren Goode is also very good at this. And it just feels good the way he talks about the internet. Big fan. But specifically, he’s had three episodes of his podcast Search Engine where he interviews podcaster Ezra Klein about the internet. Ezra Klein, this is podcast inception. Ezra Klein has his own podcast for The New York Times.